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Re: WG meeting structure

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Fri, 17 May 2019 15:50 UTC

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Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 10:50:12 -0500
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, wgchairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: WG meeting structure
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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:27:42AM -0700, Fred Baker wrote:
> inline
> 
> > On May 17, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
> > 
> > Ben,
> > 
> > 
> > On 2019-05-17 22:14, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> >> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:37:49PM +0800, Loa Andersson wrote:
> >>> All,
> >>> 
> >>> I agree with most of what what Fred says, drawing on experience from
> >>> other wg's.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm a bit nervous when this type discussions pops up. As long they are
> >>> discussions on "good ideas we tried, and the results we had", I think it
> >>> is fine.
> >>> 
> >>> When they slide away to instruct wg chairs what they should do, I'm
> >>> very concerned.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm convinced that when it comes to IETF wg's we don't have and will
> >>> never have a seating arrangement that fit all wg's, nor fit a single
> >>> working group for all of its life time.
> >>> 
> >>> If there are experiments necessary, let the wg chairs do the experiments
> >>> and the evaluation of the experiments.
> >> There's a bit of a threshold problem, in that the logistics of the chair
> >> setup means we need some critical mass of WGs to agree to run the same
> >> experiment in the same meeting cycle in order for any of them to happen.
> >> But that shouldn't have to take much else away from the WG chairs' control
> >> over how to run the WG.
> > 
> > So you are saying that if I would like to run the table setup for a MPLS
> > meeting as a U, V or A shape, you are saying that you would stop me just
> > because there are no other groups that are doing the same thing?
> 
> I believe that he was saying the hotel will charge something for the service, the service will take some time to perform, and the secretariat will need to understand what you want well enough in advance of the meeting that they can arrange a room in your favorite way and then schedule a number of working/research groups into it for the day. If they arranged it for you alone, they would probably need the time allotted to the slots before and after to rearrange it again.

Exactly so, and better said than I would, from this phone keyboard.

Thanks,

Ben

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