Re: WG meeting structure

[Loa Andersson <[e-mail]>]

Fred and Ben,

Inline plz.

On 2019-05-17 23:27, Fred Baker wrote:
> inline
> 
>> On May 17, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Loa Andersson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>>
>> On 2019-05-17 22:14, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 08:37:49PM +0800, Loa Andersson wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with most of what what Fred says, drawing on experience from
>>>> other wg's.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit nervous when this type discussions pops up. As long they are
>>>> discussions on "good ideas we tried, and the results we had", I think it
>>>> is fine.
>>>>
>>>> When they slide away to instruct wg chairs what they should do, I'm
>>>> very concerned.
>>>>
>>>> I'm convinced that when it comes to IETF wg's we don't have and will
>>>> never have a seating arrangement that fit all wg's, nor fit a single
>>>> working group for all of its life time.
>>>>
>>>> If there are experiments necessary, let the wg chairs do the experiments
>>>> and the evaluation of the experiments.
>>> There's a bit of a threshold problem, in that the logistics of the chair
>>> setup means we need some critical mass of WGs to agree to run the same
>>> experiment in the same meeting cycle in order for any of them to happen.
>>> But that shouldn't have to take much else away from the WG chairs' control
>>> over how to run the WG.
>>
>> So you are saying that if I would like to run the table setup for a MPLS
>> meeting as a U, V or A shape, you are saying that you would stop me just
>> because there are no other groups that are doing the same thing?
> 
> I believe that he was saying the hotel will charge something for the service, the service will take some time to perform, and the secretariat will need to understand what you want well enough in advance of the meeting that they can arrange a room in your favorite way and then schedule a number of working/research groups into it for the day. If they arranged it for you alone, they would probably need the time allotted to the slots before and after to rearrange it again.
> 
> So, by all means, arrange the room as you want to. And help them by getting a few other groups to be willing to be scheduled into the room that day.

OK - we have done that before - I think in Minneapolis  and some other
place -  for the MPLS working group.

Back then we had no tables in the front. We wanted that and talked to
the secretariat, they fixed that without any fuzz.

WE had a 2.5 hour morning slot and the hotel staff put i back without
tables after lunch. Did not affect anyone else, and we had our tables.
At that time we did not even call it an experiment. If there are reasons
it can't be done, so be it.

I still say let the wg chairs handle this.

/Loa



> 
>> /Loa
>>
>>> -Ben
>>
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