Re: [apps-discuss] font/*
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 09 November 2011 21:07 UTC
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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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--On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 16:00 -0500 Eric Burger <eburger@standardstrack.com> wrote: > Sounds like a call for a BOF. Only if we can get some serious typographic folks there. Otherwise, I'd personally prefer to see a few I-Ds. Since there is no change of getting a BOF together before next week, some documents on which the community could base decisions would have a chance of being a lot faster, too. best, john > On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:06 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > >> Hi Martin, >> >> The links you gave to earlier messages don't work, but I don't >> recall "killing" a font proposal. See inline below. >... >> I was, and remain, very hesitant about creating new top-level >> types. As others have noted, it is a big deal. There are >> several reasons for that but at least one important one is >> that the model for what an application is expected to do when >> it encounters an unknown top-level type is not, IMO, really >> well sorted out. One cannot do much of anything (in that >> sense, it isn't much different from an application/ subtype), >> but it isn't clear how one should present that fact to a user >> who doesn't have much understanding or vocabulary about what >> is going on at the content-type level. >... >> Recommendation to those who want this: Work on a few subtype >> definitions. Sort the details, such as what parameters are >> needed, out with the typographic community. Examine the use >> cases. The would would need to be done --and would be almost >> the same-- for a subtype of application/ or a subtype of >> font/. With those tentative subtype descriptions in hand, the >> rest of us will be a lot more able to identify commonalities >> and to participate in an evaluation of whether a top-level >> type is really justified. >> >> best, >> john >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> apps-discuss mailing list >> apps-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss >
- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* Eric Burger
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- [apps-discuss] font/* Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* Mark Nottingham
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- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* Mykyta Yevstifeyev (М. Євстіфеєв)
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- Re: [apps-discuss] font/* John C Klensin
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