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Re: [dmarc-ietf] THIS IS ABUSE (no it's not)

Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> Thu, 06 April 2023 20:40 UTC

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2023 20:39:55 +0000
From: Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] THIS IS ABUSE (no it's not)
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This is not a significant problem in my experience.  To the extent this is a problem I think it's primarily a list owner problem, not an Internet protocol problem.  Not kidding that if I ran this list I'd probably kick you off the list for awhile to give you a chance to ponder the error of your ways.

Don't do this.

Scott K

On April 6, 2023 8:53:46 PM UTC, someone wrote:
>I hope Alex won't get offended by this innocent DMARC test.
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>Are we sure that it is all right for mailing lists to allow spoofs and impersonation?  I don't think Comcast has p=reject to safeguard Alex's contribution to this list, but what if he can't stand being impersonated?  What else is he supposed to do besides setting p=reject?
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>THIS LIST TAKES ALL OF THE BAD OF DMARC, NONE OF THE GOOD.
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>Best
>Ale
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