Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Sat, 15 April 2023 01:17 UTC

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 18:17:00 -0700
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 12:37 PM Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com> wrote:

> While the you part of "we" may not see any advantages, quite a few
> financials, greeting card sites, retailers AND many receivers have seen the
> advantages, including p=reject. One thing I've learned over the years is
> that it is presumptuous to speak on behalf of "everyone" when you don't
> actually have their authorization to speak on their behalf. It's kind of
> like sending email claiming to be from someone else's domain without their
> permission.
>

We need to tread carefully here.  Standards are supposed to improve things
for everyone, not just quite a few financials, greeting card sites,
retailers AND many receivers.  Presented that way, it sounds a lot like
we're saying these decisions should be biased in favor of those with
money.  I know we don't mean that.

-MSK, participating