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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows

Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> Fri, 31 March 2023 16:17 UTC

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:16:28 +0000
From: Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indirect mail flows
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On March 31, 2023 11:06:37 AM UTC, Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote:
>On Fri 31/Mar/2023 02:41:19 +0200 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 8:41 PM Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does that mean that instead of "non-transactional mail flows" we could say
>>> "mail flows involving decades old software"?
>> 
>> If you're going to put that label on MLMs, we need to add it to MTAs too.
>> Oh and most of the protocols we're talking about.
>> 
>> This is a pretty deep rabbit hole.
>
>
>Agreed.  Yet, did you notice, for example, the steady decrease of X-MIME-Autoconverted breakage cases?  The hype on security sped up software upgrading quite noticeably.
>
Yes, but it didn't actively make the software less useful, so it's not really relevant to this case.

Scott K

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