Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Wed, 07 April 2021 01:29 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
CC: "gendispatch@ietf.org" <gendispatch@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org
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>    I've already stated my opinion of the list and made clear
    that I do not agree with those who assert that the list
    is "toxic" or a "terrible place." It's fine that you don't
    agree with me but please don't assume that your description
    is correct or complete.

ietf@ is like the parable of the blind men and the elephant?

Shrug.

I agree with what Stephen wrote.  It's not optimal for almost anyone.  People rarely are.