Re: [Idr] community of the day - common header

[Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]>]

Hi Mikael,

Being nearly 17 year a vendor I can tell you that nothing works better for
the account team then fear of loosing a customer or at min part of their
business.

Introducing a second vendor always raises the alarm even if customers do
not always see it :)

Worst case is vendor lock .. in such a case indeed you can't do much.

- - -

Bottom line - no one here is trying to delay or deny urgent need for large
comms. We are just trying (and trust me there is daily a lot of
conversations about it) to pack it in the proper envelope.

Considering the speed of standardization process itself and various phases
current discussion is really in the best interest to make it as fast as
possible an RFC.

Imagine that now working group just blindly passes it though then
directorate review or IESG review will reject it - as not discussed in the
WG. So it will go back to where we are today and it will not be in any
interest of the community.

As John already said the other day seeing few emails from those who were
not even subscribed to IDR - IETF WG rough consensus is really not about
counting "+1s" from folks who never actively participate in the IDR WG work
or mailing list discussions.

Cheers,
R.



On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Robert Raszuk wrote:
>
> Get what out of the door ? Are you asking IDR to give you code to run in
>> your network ?
>>
>
> I'm asking IDR to get the document out the door. We can hit the vendors
> over the head for implementations after that just fine, thank you.
>
> And having worked at operators since 1999, I can tell you that getting
> through the account teams is designed to be hard. The answer is always
> "you're the only one asking for this". I've been told this so many times
> (which usually was a lie) it's very upsetting to read your text about
> operators not trying hard enough. What should we have done? All camped
> outside John Chambers office with banners demanding this, or what?
>
>
> --
> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: [e-mail]
>