Re: [Idr] community of the day - common header

Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Wed, 14 September 2016 10:54 UTC

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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, Gert Doering wrote:

> We're not talking about "too early" here.  We're talking about "5 years 
> too late" vs. "at some future point of perfection, when nobody alive 
> today cares anymore".

I have to agree with Gert here. The time to engineer a great, nice 
future-proof mechanism was 10 years ago, so it would have running code 
widely deployed 5 years ago.

Since we don't have that, then now is the time to standardize a "does the 
same as we have today for 16bitAS but for 32bitAS" which involves as small 
code, operational and standardization changes as possible, so code can 
get into operator routers ASAP.

So get it out the door now. Not in 6-12 months time. Now. ASAP.

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se