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Re: bettering open source involvement

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 02 August 2016 09:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: bettering open source involvement
From: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
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On 2 Aug 2016, at 11:12 AM, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrote:

> 
>> If you define the efforts of this standards body as one to produce BSD
>> licensed code (which is basically the case), it will continue to lag
>> behind the bleeding edge and continue to become more and more
>> irrelevant.
> 
> I guess we're getting on our soap boxes at this point? :-)
> 
> But I don't define "the efforts of this standard body" in this way. I remain convinced that textual specs are required. Code is a nice addition, but really  only useful if it can be rather freely used - which GPL code can’t.

I’m going to join a few others in pushing back against this statement. FWIW I work for a closed-source vendor, so while I can copy BSD license code into my code-base, GPL (any flavor) is problematic. 

Still, I think any source code I can see is useful to me as an implementer. If I need to incorporate something into my code then either it’s really small (like a hash function) or I need to rewrite it anyway to fit. Either way I am likely to end up re-implementing quite a bit. Having a reference implementation is incredibly useful in getting my code to work correctly. 

Yoav

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