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Re: bettering open source involvement

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 29 July 2016 21:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: bettering open source involvement
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>, "MH Michael Hammer (5304)" <MHammer@ag.com>
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On 30/07/2016 01:04, Alia Atlas wrote:
...
> What do you think?  Are there factors that I'm missing?   Is there a
> technical topic where there could be enthusiasm to push?

One apect of the problem is the typical enthusiasm curve. ASCII art:
       ___
      |   \
      |    \
      |     \
      /      \           __ modest success__
     |        \_________/
----/                   \___abject failure__

build  wild   long-tail

Once you get into the long tail where most enthusiasts have dropped
out, it needs great persistence to reach success.

I am pretty sure that available open source at an early stage helps,
but the drop-odd from wild enthusiasm is very common.

    Brian

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