IETF Logo Mail Archive

RE: bettering open source involvement

"MH Michael Hammer (5304)" <MHammer@ag.com> Thu, 28 July 2016 20:04 UTC

Return-Path: <MHammer@ag.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EFD12D0A5 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:04:15 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.901
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ULR8own1Qhgk for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:04:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from agwhqht.amgreetings.com (agwhqht.amgreetings.com [207.58.192.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 541AA12E0A5 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from USCLES544.agna.amgreetings.com ([fe80::f5de:4c30:bc26:d70a]) by USCLES533.agna.amgreetings.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0266.001; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:04:06 -0400
From: "MH Michael Hammer (5304)" <MHammer@ag.com>
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>, Suzanne Woolf <suzworldwide@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: bettering open source involvement
Thread-Topic: bettering open source involvement
Thread-Index: AQHR6K32z6qsPvbhXUqzdnc9h24iiKAt7cYAgABwkICAAA6JAIAAGAIA//+/98A=
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:04:06 +0000
Message-ID: <CE39F90A45FF0C49A1EA229FC9899B05266E16DC@USCLES544.agna.amgreetings.com>
References: <CAA93jw71iUPb4vuFK5sMqo_CQEE9HSkchc9988=98FKUsv_1sw@mail.gmail.com> <CABSMSPUoBGgD6ioiCOScUUEnTUnGiNAYPavONyLpbWzNcRhvsg@mail.gmail.com> <42310584-34a6-5efc-59c3-ff7e7ec77624@gmail.com> <61563BA8-6790-43DE-B670-7040F206B9C9@gmail.com> <d56478d7-ae5c-381b-fd52-ee41d9a56358@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <d56478d7-ae5c-381b-fd52-ee41d9a56358@gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.144.15.222]
x-kse-attachmentfiltering-interceptor-info: protection disabled
x-kse-serverinfo: USCLES533.agna.amgreetings.com, 9
x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful
x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean, bases: 7/28/2016 5:04:00 PM
x-kse-dlp-scaninfo: Skipped
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/YJJkXnud6pMoTb4CKW1WxgBQqW8>
Cc: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:04:15 -0000

I think another issue is the speed at which IETF working groups move and the speed at which many open source projects move.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:53 PM
> To: Suzanne Woolf
> Cc: IETF discussion list
> Subject: Re: bettering open source involvement
> 
> On 7/28/16 10:26 AM, Suzanne Woolf wrote:
> > As an aside, DNS is one of the areas where there's actually a pretty
> > active give-and-take between standards and open source development--
> > some of the leading implementations of the protocol are open source
> > and have been for years, and there's been enormous benefit in an open
> > "code to current spec; test multiple implementations; debug; revise
> > code; revise spec" cycle for DNSSEC some years ago or some of the
> > DPRIVE work more recently.
> 
> Well, the PyCon thing took more the form of outreach to the
> application/systems programming community, who were not aware of some
> of the issues that the IETF has been working on for years.  Many of these
> technical communities tend to be less familiar with network plumbing issues,
> even those that have significant (if indirect) impact on them, or that could
> help them solve problems they're facing in their applications.
> That the IETF does not do APIs is pretty much a matter of both faith and
> practice, but there are groups out there implementing IETF protocols and
> providing the APIs that allow application  developers to use those protocols
> and services.
> That is part of the open source landscape, as well.
> 
> Melinda

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email