Re: bettering open source involvement

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 30 July 2016 02:57 UTC

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> One apect of the problem is the typical enthusiasm curve. ASCII art:

omg, brian using ascii art.  end of net predicted.  news at eleven :)

a fellow operator reading this list sent email this morning saying

    i suspect that if you want to do ietf full-time - you're probably
    part of the problem.

< gross over-generalisation >
i suspect that one reason we are so enamoured of open source is it is
running code.  implementation is where the rubber meets the road.  i-ds
are where the rubber meets the sky.  success is when there is both i-d
and implementation.  good i-ds are when implementors are authors.

randy