Re: bettering open source involvement

"Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> Thu, 28 July 2016 12:24 UTC

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From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bettering open source involvement
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:24:01 +0000
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On 28 Jul 2016, at 8:56, Dave Taht wrote:

> At both ietf and BBF this past week a frequent topic of conversation
> was how to get more open source involvement in standards orgs...
>
> ... and one counter-thrust of mine has always been to get more
> standards org members involved in open source, because that dialog has
> to go both ways.
>
> I thought I would point at several useful upcoming conferences in the
> hope that perhaps there would be some members of ietf/isoc "out there"
> planning some outreach in this regard.

There’s gazillions of conferences as you say.  Being a BSD guy I could 
give you a list of those but that’s missing the point I think.

What you should do is do the reference implementations for at least 2 
different (Open Source) Operating Systems before or rather along writing 
a document.  That will (a) guarantee running code and (b) a lot of 
documents will be written better, more understandable, and cover the 
bits that actually matter and won’t be “theory” only which people 
who have to implement them after the facts go head->desk().  That brings 
me to (c) as you’ll have a valuable contribution to actually go to one 
of the conferences and present your work there and engage with that 
community (and, yes, that can be an overlapping effort, e.g., go and 
discuss while you are working on the prototype to see what field experts 
think about it;  their feedback then will influence your implementation 
and the document and you are back at (a) and (b)).


Just half a ct from me

/bz