Re: [Ietf108planning] Registration open for IETF 108

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 11 June 2020 23:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ietf108planning] Registration open for IETF 108
To: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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Hi Mike,

On 12/06/2020 00:02, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> I get the impression that this is more about is your $CORP sending
> you, or are you paying for it on your own dime.
Not sure that's quite right tbh. Doesn't cover people from
situations where they're very unlikely to ever be able to
afford the travel. But it's not only about that - if we end
up charging for the wrong things in the wrong way, then I'd
bet that'd damage the entire concept of IETF-meetings and
cross-area review (or whichever aspect of that kind of
serendipity you like most) and we'd end up more like a set
of unrelated industry-projects than not. That's a bit
negative and very speculative, as such things must be, but
I don't think it's that wild to see some of the possible
outcomes here doing damage to the idea of there even being
an IETF community accessible to anyone with technical clue
who wants to elbow their way in. (Ditto for scenarios that
don't require elbows, which are of course nicer:-)

But, the LLC folks have said they're going to think some
more about this so I'm hopeful the outcome will be an
improvement. (And fair play to them for being willing to
think some more.)

Cheers,
S.