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Re: Confirmation to advance: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-05

Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Tue, 30 April 2019 14:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: Confirmation to advance: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-05
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:33:15 +0200
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Hi Mark,

>> Here is the opinion of operators at the RIPE meeting last fall:
>> https://ripe77.ripe.net/archives/video/2335/
>> Reactions at 5:38
> 
> How many have read the draft?
> 
> Should they be making judgement and we accept judgement based on a short and single presentation by somebody who has a bias against it?

I gave that presentation after discussing it with Ole to provide some sort of feedback on this draft from the operator community. I presented both the benefits and the dangers. Yes, I am personally against this draft, but I gave an honest representation of both sides.

I haven't seen any active outreach from the IETF, and the operators who do speak up here are often ignored as "single voices" that don't represent the operators, and when someone goes out and tries to get broader feedback its biased. All of this makes it very difficult for operators to deal with the IETF, and I know many who have given up.

If you have a better way of getting a feel for operator support I am all ears.

Cheers,
Sander

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