Re: Confirmation to advance: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-05

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 11 May 2019 01:14 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76001201A0 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 May 2019 18:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n96TucWmTpEC for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 May 2019 18:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pl1-x635.google.com (mail-pl1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::635]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66F711201DB for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 May 2019 18:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pl1-x635.google.com with SMTP id g5so3587480plt.2 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 May 2019 18:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XIL9ht0OcAX8i1eaJD4vLVhYHz93u28xLpIXEI1++sI=; b=eHEf1CrEp7QnSt6kDO/TzAbjWp8Juw6MIldaAo+wUsIiHQjYwFJQf4YokVa6aOMBZy Sxk0F/7wvjaklWjTB4b0EzLrfd3S/gIsOgV3sxQDnyRYjf4WE4xIyQreom5q55J87rgi 3T5le2bBbYSpyDgXZNAWRVja+hDOlUWQuya5vHHr6cLJKVTsLuvktGSPEztzFOMSyEbi GZ85GEw8gnboN52mwKqxoy6ePWoLMSxezgWx+2xcztit63d7i3pqWxphUiUzccGgobGk bUwYtKqqux15aoco/ZoDo+HQq0pbpqiBKCS+NAMVOnFj+czXq11tS+eHnkBlcovsSb6F 2m4A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XIL9ht0OcAX8i1eaJD4vLVhYHz93u28xLpIXEI1++sI=; b=OsnetWnU44c4q+RTL7nSQVPAcOxiNSkgUGD6IC8tA4fcrXl+BiDwdYrdSC2kjdERCU w/I3vAcKBl/VaXipFw++gIHNf95sdBrpU8FxEMkGH2Eql90dYoZjxU6ne+jQAnXnligx r6lVvaaNbw7kGWOTDsDYcl9gUOFp+149NaWjWsXK6MMhiUOwqX5VkGKGbmGXPR55fq57 SRvGseLikwwPGx61dUjfxjUXrAV7ycZ1ilVZvgz74dvrtK9s9mOdELhwQ3I1DAT1YT4y JistnTYF1dm6TRCC2/zO9y1FKydaL/yG3quJnlVA4xL27hDU3KtYWSKUPwGS9O+2Tmj5 9isA==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU1Q6ZzIQyc7UH1unuIiE8ajh79wpeTSIwx1oaSgWS/FQf/KpJr 62BcFTZL2pAiQJqwGUUARJBZMI+R
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzHksbhFUbvtYA1Wu8+HA5eZF/gD80RvGSGV1kJ6ZjNUS6XprMCr6smSCFGLHNHPzivhEs1mA==
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8ec6:: with SMTP id x6mr16112679plo.123.1557537260770; Fri, 10 May 2019 18:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([118.148.72.205]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u38sm596737pgn.73.2019.05.10.18.14.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 May 2019 18:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Confirmation to advance: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-05
To: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Cc: 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
References: <F8BFFCAD-E58E-4736-8A1C-56579B6F6032@employees.org> <alpine.DEB.2.20.1905091054560.1824@uplift.swm.pp.se> <m1hOfjp-0000IdC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net> <924a4e34-e5f9-9872-bd4a-c0f68fd5387f@gmail.com> <m1hP1uA-0000EhC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net> <12F17008-16C5-4E58-89DB-BC7D01341CD7@lists.zabbadoz.net> <f1210218-9a51-805f-df31-d96dc9381c91@foobar.org> <F5BC870A-0853-43A3-A493-DC7DF8701B50@lists.zabbadoz.net> <C5A98D65-ABC9-4728-82C5-CF81F8FE53D8@steffann.nl> <CAN-Dau3F+Z94aC1fAohZDz81z=Kg4u1TZGiuMH_L4yVUCH1sMg@mail.gmail.com> <1c3500f2-5a15-dbf8-51a5-237945d32be3@gmail.com> <CAN-Dau2rRv8ji2Um9iUBkzr=bysJbgnbp0+bXGMWy2m60m3dpw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e0f9b0a-d044-5b46-27a4-fa2eb0ad8ca1@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 13:14:16 +1200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAN-Dau2rRv8ji2Um9iUBkzr=bysJbgnbp0+bXGMWy2m60m3dpw@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/cbI73AskzHwfMamhnjPKpk21ZtQ>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 01:14:23 -0000

On 11-May-19 09:00, David Farmer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 3:46 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On 11-May-19 01:47, David Farmer wrote:
>     ....
>     > I have to agree that a "hard off" for IPv4...
> 
>     Yeah. If we'd proposed that, we'd have been stupid. We didn't.
> 
> 
> It may not have been your intent, but that is how many were interpreting it, or they were not comfortable with how others might interpret it. I realize you just didn't want to specify too many specifics allowing room for implementers to find the right answer for each situation.  

Exactly. If the document goes forward, this has to be very clear in the final text (see several other recent helpful comments).

    Brian