Re: [Ltru] Updated draft-4646bis...

You have to read the document. The terms "valid" and "well-formed" have 
a different meaning in the context of RFC 4646/4646bis. The term "valid" 
was chosen carefully in this context.

Mark and others are correct that every tag has *a* meaning (we even 
spell out the one for the "meaningless" tag in the example). But that 
does not mean that every tag is *meaningful*.

How about this version instead:

<t>Validity of a tag is not everything. While every valid tag has a 
meaning, it might not represent any real language usage. This is 
unavoidable in a system in which subtags can be combined freely. For 
example, tags such as "ar-Cyrl-CO" (Arabic, Cyrillic script, as used in 
Colombia ) or "tlh-Kore-AQ-fonipa" (Klingon, Korean script, as used in 
Antarctica, IPA phonetic transcription) are both valid and unlikely to 
represent a useful combination of language attributes.</t>

Addison

David Dalby wrote:
> I agree!
> 
> David
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Debbie Garside [mailto:debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk] 
> Sent: 01 August 2007 13:44
> To: addison@yahoo-inc.com; 'Marion Gunn'
> Cc: 'LTRU Working Group'
> Subject: RE: [Ltru] Updated draft-4646bis...
> 
> Addison wrote:
> 
>> A tag can be valid yet meaningless.
> 
> I don't really like this as it seems, on the face of it, a contradiction in
> terms.  I would propose one of the following:
> 
> ---
> A tag can be well formed yet meaningless.
> 
> A tag can be well formed in terms of syntax, and thus valid, yet meaningless
> in terms of its attributes. For example, ... 
> 
> ---
> 
> Best
> 
> Debbie
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Addison Phillips [mailto:addison@yahoo-inc.com] 
>> Sent: 31 July 2007 16:52
>> To: Marion Gunn
>> Cc: LTRU Working Group
>> Subject: Re: [Ltru] Updated draft-4646bis...
>>
>> Marion Gunn wrote:
>>  >
>>  > However, here goes with one more attempt:
>>  >
>>  > "For example, although a tag such as 'ar-Cyrl-CO' (Arabic, 
>> as used in  > Columbia,  > written in Cyrillic script) is 
>> valid, it is [most] unlikely to be of  > use, because  > such 
>> combination of attributes is unlikely to occur in actual 
>> language  > use."
>>  >
>>
>> I note that it is useful to look at the actual editor's copy 
>> when suggesting minor editorial changes. Upon reflection, I 
>> found the current sentence to be a bit of a run-on. I've 
>> taken your suggestion of 'unlikely' and edited further such 
>> that the paragraph now reads:
>>
>> <t>Validity of a tag is not everything. A tag can be valid 
>> yet meaningless. This is unavoidable with a generative system 
>> like the language subtag mechanism. For example, a tag such 
>> as "ar-Cyrl-CO" 
>> (Arabic, Cyrillic script, as used in Colombia) is perfectly valid. 
>> However, it is unlikely to be a useful tag, as it represents 
>> an unlikely combination of language attributes that is 
>> probably unrelated to any real language usage.</t>
>>
>> After five minutes from now, you will need to comment on 
>> draft-08. I'm always happy to consider editorial changes that 
>> improve the text.
>>
>> Addison
>>
>> --
>> Addison Phillips
>> Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.
>> Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG
>>
>> Internationalization is an architecture.
>> It is not a feature.
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Addison Phillips
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Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG

Internationalization is an architecture.
It is not a feature.

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