Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-map-00 does NOTreflect the consensus from the WG
"Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> Wed, 27 June 2012 15:23 UTC
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From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-map-00 does NOTreflect the consensus from the WG
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This is a moot argument, as we have seen many protocols (take MPLS for example) that were proposed to do just X, evolved to do X, Y, Z and more. Who would have thought that BGP would be advertising MAC addresses when BGP was first introduced? Let's focus on the operational problems solved (or not solved) by any of our solution sets. I appreciate Ian's email in that light. This will help us evolve our solution sets and have us spend our time in the right direction. Cheers, Rajiv > -----Original Message----- > From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Jiang Dong > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:34 AM > To: Satoru Matsushima; Peng Wu > Cc: Softwires WG; ian.farrer > Subject: Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-map-00 does > NOTreflect the consensus from the WG > > Hi, Satoru, > > I believe OSPF never abandon its own essence in order to be a super suite > and do something very strange to cover the use case which can be easily and > clearly done by RIP. > > What's more, MAP is not OSPF, and LW4over6 is not RIP. MAP and LW4over6 > have their own use case when they are originally designed. MAP is not > supposed to do the 1:1 mode in the beginning. > > Regards! > Jiang Dong > > From: Satoru Matsushima <mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> > Date: 2012-06-27 12:37 > To: Peng Wu <mailto:pengwu.thu@gmail.com> > CC: softwires <mailto:softwires@ietf.org> ; ian.farrer > <mailto:ian.farrer@telekom.de> > Subject: Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-map-00 does NOT > reflect the consensus from the WG On 2012/06/27, at 12:36, Peng Wu wrote: > > >>> Not quite. > >>> I believe that the most motivate to start this work in the wg has > destined MAP to be 'multi-protocol socket v2.0' that's what the former wg > chair wished to. Do you remember that? > >>> > >>> i like the philosophy of "multi-protocol socket". however, i > >>> moderately doubt the "multi-protocol socket v2.0" is a perfect plan > >>> for every cases. in a quite good hotel, we see typically one > >>> 'multi-protocol socket' while a lot of local-standard sockets. i > >>> never think it will make me happy if i see every socket in my room > >>> is *multi-protocol*, occupying much spaces and quite noticeable on > >>> the walls. we need one to deploy somewhere not the only one type to > >>> deploy anywhere. ;-) > >> > >> That point would be an operational matter for deploying any > standardized technology. For example, an operator adopt OSPF to use its > rich routing feature but the network is small, the operator does just area 0 > routing, even OSPF allow inter-area routing for scale. Is an another ospf > specification needed for 'OSPF Area 0 Only Routing'? > > > > Well if I only have a simple network and I uses RIP, you don't make > > OSPF somehow compatible with RIP(or just include RIP with an OSPF > > terminology face? I don't know) and say "hey, just use this super > > suite, don't consider it overloaded, it's for unity!" > > Oh, you don't argue that OSPF covers an use case which is also covered by > RIP. So then why are you arguing that an use case of MAP is eventually same > with the LW46 use case? > > cheers, > --satoru > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
- [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-map-00… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Lee, Yiu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… xiechf01
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Maoke
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Lee, Yiu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Lee, Yiu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Mark Townsley
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Tetsuya Murakami
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Tetsuya Murakami
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Jiang Dong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Tetsuya Murakami
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Jiang Dong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… ian.farrer
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Leaf yeh
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Leaf yeh
- [Softwires] MAP design team [Was: Re: [Softwire] … Simon Perreault
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Lee, Yiu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Maoke
- Re: [Softwires] MAP design team [Was: Re: [Softwi… Leaf yeh
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… xiechf01
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Jiang Dong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Peng Wu
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… ian.farrer
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Tetsuya Murakami
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Tom Taylor
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Tomek Mrugalski
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Leaf yeh
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Jiang Dong
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qi Sun
- Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-ma… Qiong