Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-map-00 does NOT reflect the consensus from the WG

Qiong <bingxuere@gmail.com> Tue, 26 June 2012 15:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Softwires] [Softwire] draft-ietf-softwire-map-00 does NOT reflect the consensus from the WG
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Agree with Ian.

MAP is designed and optimized for algorithmatic address mapping, but not
for per-subscriber rule mapping. Actually, the more you would like to
solve, more complicated it will become.

I will certainly not buy MAP for per-subscriber case when MAP-T, MAP-E,
map-dhcp all becomes useless or not optimized. And I will not deploy
per-subscriber stateful and stateless solutions at the same.

So I encourage two seperated approaches optimized for different scenarios.
It will be good for both.

Do we really all forget about the "KISS" principle ?

Best wishes
Qiong

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Well, a couple of observations:
> A) MAP allows you to optimize complexity in not having to deal with per
> subscriber rules in cases where this is feasible.
> B) You're referring to data representation as an operational problem,
> which if so, actually applies to any solution incl LW46 that transmits
> port-range info to a client. I.e. "Whatever support staff" needs to be
> schooled to use some logic to glean useful port information from the data
> sent to a client
> C) It is very easy to represent MAP data as port range info on routers,
> tools, etc.
>
> -Woj.
>
>
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>> cheers,
>>  --satoru
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