RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
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From: "Eric D. Williams" <eric@infobro.com>
To: 'Yakov Shafranovich' <research@solidmatrix.com>, Peter Kay <peter@titankey.com>, "asrg@ietf.org" <asrg@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:44:01 -0400
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On Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:31 PM, Yakov Shafranovich [SMTP:research@solidmatrix.com] wrote: > At 03:30 PM 6/3/2003 -1000, Peter Kay wrote: > > >[..] > >Here's mine: > > > >Spam is transmission of mass email without the prior explicit > >authorization of the recipient. > >[..] > > From the charter (http://www.irtf.org/charters/asrg.html) > > "The definition of spam messages is not clear and is not consistent across > different individuals or organizations. Therefore, we generalize the > problem into "consent-based communication". This means that an individual > or organization should be able to express consent or lack of consent for > certain communication and have the architecture support those desires." Yes, that is the issue. The ability 'to express consent or lack of consent for certain communication and that the architecture support those desires'. To me that is a sort of 'policy enforcement mechanism,' the over-arching question/s is/are: - can such a policy mechanism be architected? - how is such a 'policy mechanism' described in technical terms, e.g. that can be expressed within an 'architecture'? - what are the essential components of the policy decision? - what are the essential technical aspects of the 'policy decision engine'? - what is the placement of the 'policy decision engine' - core vs. edge? - what are the user definable aspects for instantiating policy decisions? - what are the measured attributes for determining policy conformance or violation? IMHO the rest are implementation specific decisions, I have left some of the research areas out, that is intended. I have included some that are personal preferences, that is also intended. I feel that this can be cast as an engineering problem, but it currently does not have a consensus driver for all of the involved players, essentially the target community for compliance review are 'rouge players' and demonstrate adaptability designed to be contrary to the policy decisions which we are attempting to fix upon their activity. That is the significant issue. There is perhaps a additional track here concerning the 'fuzziness' approach that Vernon mentioned in the decision processes for 'making a determination'. Such an approach requires a collaborative approach for components in the 'decision engine'. No one part can do it all, IMHO. -e _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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