RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...

"Peter Kay" <peter@titankey.com> Thu, 05 June 2003 01:58 UTC

Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21937 for <asrg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:58:33 -0400 (EDT)
Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h551w8s07661 for asrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:58:08 -0400
Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h551w8B07658 for <asrg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:58:08 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21911; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:58:03 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19NjzB-00028G-00; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:56:13 -0400
Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19NjzB-00028D-00; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:56:13 -0400
Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h551uPB07525; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:56:25 -0400
Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h551rlB07413 for <asrg@optimus.ietf.org>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:53:47 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21804 for <Asrg@ietf.org>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Njuy-00027B-00 for Asrg@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:51:52 -0400
Received: from imail.centuryc.net ([216.30.168.20] helo=isp-appsvr01.centuryc.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Njux-000277-00 for Asrg@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:51:51 -0400
Received: from cybercominc.com [66.91.134.126] by isp-appsvr01.centuryc.com (SMTPD32-7.14) id A2E3C00088; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:54:43 -1000
Received: from a66b91n134client123.hawaii.rr.com (66.91.134.123) by cybercominc-zzt with SMTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:57:49 GMT
X-Titankey-e_id: <72463431-0bed-4fe5-ad65-d68cee588943>
Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0
Message-ID: <DD198B5D07F04347B7266A3F35C42B0B0D8B96@io.cybercom.local>
Thread-Topic: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
Thread-Index: AcMrBGMYxipDqvNfQU6FO2SC0IyQGAAASB5Q
From: Peter Kay <peter@titankey.com>
To: kent@songbird.com, "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@verisign.com>
Cc: Asrg@ietf.org
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h551rlB07414
Sender: asrg-admin@ietf.org
Errors-To: asrg-admin@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: asrg@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Id: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg.ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:asrg@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Archive: <https://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/asrg/>
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:53:14 -1000
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yes but we can't define bulk mailing as spamming. But we CAN define that
UNSOLICITED bulk email is spamming.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kent@songbird.com [mailto:kent@songbird.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> Cc: Asrg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 03:57:28PM -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
> > The problem I have is the fact I get 300 spams a day. The fact that 
> > those spams are also sent to 10 million or so others is not 
> relevant 
> > to me. My problem is the fact that *I* am getting the messages. I 
> > would have exactly the same problem if I was the only 
> person who got 
> > that quantity of messages.
> 
> Reality is that you get that quantity of messages because of 
> the fact of bulk mailings, and hence bulk mailings are 
> relevant -- at least to the extent that reality is relevant.  :-)
> 
> To put it another way, if bulk mailing was eliminated, your 
> spam problem, along with everyone else's, would be eliminated.
> 
> Kent
> 
> -- 
> Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> Manager of Technical Operations, ICANN      lonesome."
> crispin@icann.org,kent@songbird.com                    -- Mark Twain
>                p: +1 310 823 9358  f: +1 310 823 8649 
> _______________________________________________
> Asrg mailing list
> Asrg@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
> 
> 
> 


_______________________________________________
Asrg mailing list
Asrg@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg