Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
Dave Aronson <dja2003@hotpop.com> Wed, 04 June 2003 12:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:51:38 -0400
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"Eric D. Williams" <eric@infobro.com> wrote: > Could you all and others please forward to me a brief definition of > what criteria you would consider for spam. Short and sour: Unsolicited Bulk Email (UBE). To make a short story long: - If it's solicited, it's certainly not spam. - If it's not bulk, each one may be annoying, but at least it's not annoying as many people. B-) More to the point, if it's "lovingly handcrafted" Just For You, there are only so many people the sender can spare the time to bother with. Therefore they almost certainly have a well-founded belief that you (as a specific individual, not a member of some demographic) would welcome it. Therefore they are at least able to explain why. They certainly should, so as to avoid being viewed (and reported) as spammers. (Take the "same text to a bunch of different experts to ask them something for your thesis" scenario. Send each expert a separate email. Preface the question with how you legitimately obtained the expert's email. Add some flattery re why his particular work makes him well suited to answer your question. This would neither be (IMHO) spam, nor seem spammy, even though the main content is the same in several different messages.) - If it's not email (such as snailmail, phone, or SMS), it may still be annoying, but should probably be considered as a separate problem. - Some would say it must be commercial. As someone else said, I've gotten religious, political, "come look at my k00l web site", and other forms of spam. - Some would ask whether the headers (or other info, such as removal address) are faked. Although a lot of UBE does have fakery, much of it also does not. This sort of fraud is IMHO another separate question. To contrast with UCE, consider this scenario. I'm in a group called the SCA. I participate in its newsgroup, rec.org.sca. The SCA has a major annual event called Pennsic, to which I've been many times but have had to miss the past few. If someone sent me: > Going to Pennsic? Stop by Honest Achmed's, in the Food > Court. Mention this email for a free felafel sandwich > and cup of sekanjabin. I'd assume he simply harvested me from r.o.s and report him as a spammer. Note how he's treating me as part of a demographic, not an individual. BUT, if he sent me: > I see from your web site you're in the SCA, and have gone to > Pennsic many times but had to miss the past few. I hope you > get a job soon, so you can afford to go, and one that will > let you go! When you finally make it, stop by Honest > Achmed's, in the Food Court. Mention this email for a free > felafel sandwich and cup of sekanjabin, so you can see what > you've been missing for the past two years. I would not consider it spam, due to the references to things that are fairly specific to me. Sure, it's possible that he's got a list of such people (and thus might be caught by quantity detectors), but still.... -- David J. Aronson, Unemployed Software Engineer near Washington DC See http://destined.to/program/ for online resume, and other info _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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