Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC BoF at IETF 87, Berlin

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 30 June 2013 20:04 UTC

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>This says the base spec is out of scope for the BoF.  Thus my objection.  I 
>understand people that have already implemented DMARC are (reasonably) 
>cautious about engaging with the IETF in a way that could cause it to change 
>incompatibly.  OTOH, I think it's also reasonable for a new protocol that 
>directly affects existing IETF protocols to have significant scrutiny.

I'm with Scott.  While I agree that it would be bad to make
incompatible changes to the many bits on the wire, the document itself
could be improved.

R's,
John