Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special Use Names (Please! Pretty please, with a cherry on top?!)

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 30 September 2016 03:10 UTC

Return-Path: <johnl@taugh.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E6112B03D for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:10:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.007
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, PLING_QUERY=0.994, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=ZPShSbd2; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=KMA1zB0A
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q2oKoub_aL0e for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E33C912B030 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:10:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 19300 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2016 03:10:05 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=4b61.57edd78d.k1609; bh=jw96o65LFMfhV8EzRBlTP+WG24k8f77JTqEp0GD/PDs=; b=ZPShSbd2NmW5W6dnnFmdGiDDej+5HsTYv2jJUUP5mGm0tz5jM50MlmLQR58sBEB7nUdOMtOof0FZFoOjV4If5VvdlBNHZWFunyFo0LW1gj1Hr8YnKuhEoFrpmfSVg6EGYElacA/q3DspoAsNE5AKSxtNTJWFLzpsptmavWBNMgjfyOZAJrXhZXYKPRDa2S5Y+/ywmpjBAGjhHx8MudGfiUoafRTjjLrtk/nClf1p7dwKa0hJlzwJePsA4B55JwL/
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=4b61.57edd78d.k1609; bh=jw96o65LFMfhV8EzRBlTP+WG24k8f77JTqEp0GD/PDs=; b=KMA1zB0AvS+7uiFN3BlG5ebGhMGVsm2fsSUGRot6UpMMpUMBEwDass3ASOMTGne8ZbCSv0+pLJ+nOibgGKf0UKqdDmtQaXZnd8it6hrm0+BjDDZ14i+XB8B4r/W/oC9y2AppqC87qNnZCDU9l1Jmvh3lLwcSLILusYXZTSbePDa9YqwIh01opODcJYIvPcbXnO91p6JogE60LXr84pVpUQ2Scf9Cs1ok3cv0jIKUXCRCoqobceG6F7z2F9/EJ5mq
Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.0/X.509/SHA1) via TCP6; 30 Sep 2016 03:10:05 -0000
Date: 29 Sep 2016 23:10:07 -0400
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1609292309340.87490@ary.qy>
From: "John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
To: "Ted Lemon" <mellon@fugue.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAPt1N1keNUiDAUuVn97XLb3W6oH7zdZhMeNbg3h-O892+acPVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1609292041280.86752@ary.qy> <CAKr6gn04Jj5ar2OhztH2uc4WpFZBZ=WKZdx-1ufdFMb9NAQupQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1=zDBcbaPVi50dFJXVVSrsBuUrb52iBu4T76Y_zYuxFkQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1=5kAb20mGLJPmmuQCL6ta9aJn3uEdVv=gVgG9erQoKkw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1km66hoc7VFPvaHi4Sc0WuQxZFtQUPjLjK_Sj6qAtZ5UQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1keNUiDAUuVn97XLb3W6oH7zdZhMeNbg3h-O892+acPVQ@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (OSX 23 2013-08-11)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/0lD94PPPOgEGLLnAmuBVUcmpqX8>
Cc: dnsop WG <dnsop@ietf.org>, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special Use Names (Please! Pretty please, with a cherry on top?!)
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 03:10:10 -0000

> So, if anyone is still wondering why we need a /good/ problem statement,
> this discussion is why.  You are both taking past reach other because you
> are looking at only the part of the problem you care about.

Agreed.  It's also why the problem statement has to be as short as 
possible, like one sentence, so people can't read it multiple ways.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly