Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet Draft Deadline Approaching

Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Fri, 06 March 2020 00:46 UTC

Return-Path: <lberger@labn.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834733A0FAC for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 16:46:49 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XtkSZ61SpuW for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 16:46:48 -0800 (PST)
Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 177E13A0FA6 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 16:46:48 -0800 (PST)
Received: from CMGW (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2BE1E0B14 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 17:46:45 -0700 (MST)
Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id A18XjHxPYKO5VA18XjV6Gg; Thu, 05 Mar 2020 17:46:45 -0700
X-Authority-Reason: nr=8
X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Z8ycJDZA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10 a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=gKmFwSsBAAAA:8 a=z0WD2zEkVm6o8VoifEYA:9 a=jSIlKKyH4M27QenS:21 a=U7qVtbGtWq4k_GYl:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSXJxqCWdD2SAbtA:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=Yz9wTY_ffGCQnEDHKrcv:22 a=nnPW6aIcBuj1ljLj_o6Q:22
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SrXxOxHbWLZoX/kYFkcYsmSfVm9HJ1Tg+orUXT5lxXg=; b=AomAaJDIgGcNhBCoag0FgFOQix ZdSPVRr64/SDrHk5g/3vf0D9Dpf2k//HJ0UGR2VYtYB/dZLlCThKkOn1Cvpwu1/QhA8fiMlHKBIXs DOIaAPpbZ9ALt3P6gZC4OBA8q;
Received: from pool-72-66-11-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([72.66.11.201]:38808 helo=[11.5.0.140]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <lberger@labn.net>) id 1jA18X-002RdT-L2; Thu, 05 Mar 2020 17:46:45 -0700
From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>
CC: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>, 107all@ietf.org
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:46:43 -0500
Message-ID: <170ad4f0938.277b.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net>
In-Reply-To: <10F5BF36-4639-46C7-B952-2AAE36EFB298@ietf.org>
References: <170ad423be0.277b.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> <10F5BF36-4639-46C7-B952-2AAE36EFB298@ietf.org>
User-Agent: AquaMail/1.22.0-1511 (build: 102200004)
Subject: Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet Draft Deadline Approaching
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------170ad4f0abe2558277b8391aab"
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net
X-BWhitelist: no
X-Source-IP: 72.66.11.201
X-Source-L: No
X-Exim-ID: 1jA18X-002RdT-L2
X-Source:
X-Source-Args:
X-Source-Dir:
X-Source-Sender: pool-72-66-11-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([11.5.0.140]) [72.66.11.201]:38808
X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net
X-Email-Count: 9
X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ==
X-Local-Domain: yes
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/9TnC23urxk4AyxdF-SWP2GxFp_E>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 00:46:50 -0000

Jay


----------
On March 5, 2020 7:40:22 PM Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:

> Lou
>
>
>> On 6/03/2020, at 1:33 PM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> two very different points here:
>> 
>> 1) Everyone's situation is different / unique and often more complicated 
>> than simply who is canceling. I  strongly urge you, the LLC and the iesg to 
>> have a single consistent, and public, refund policy for all.  (Either full 
>> refund for all or service charge for all).
>> 
> I’m comfortable that our current policy strikes the right balance between 
> an individual policy for each individual circumstance and a 
> one-size-fits-all policy.
>

Can formally State / post what the policy is?. I think I heard if canceling 
due to the corporate policy, no refund. if individual is canceling and 
paying out of pocket or due to CA government action, full refund.

what about cancellation due to health issues?

>> 2) have you checked on the legal exposure to the organization of continuing 
>> to hold the meeting in the face of so many public cancellations -  which 
>> are taking place at the organizational level (e.g., f8), the association 
>> level (IEEE, apc) and at the national level (CN and IS)?
>> 
> Yes.

Very happy to hear that.

Thank you
Lou

>
> Jay
> -- 
> Jay Daley
> IETF Executive Director
>
>> Thanks,
>> Lou
>> 
>>> On March 5, 2020 6:58:28 PM Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6/03/2020, at 12:50 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The difference should not be between corporate and government travel 
>>>> restrictions but between self-inflicted (company halts travel, company 
>>>> pays) and externally imposed (individual pays, employer still forbids 
>>>> travel; company pays, government forbids travel).
>>> 
>>> I agree.
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Grüße, Carsten
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jay Daley
>>> IETF Executive Director
>>> jay@ietf.org
>>> +64 21 678840
>>>