Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet Draft Deadline Approaching
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Fri, 06 March 2020 13:40 UTC
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 08:40:22 -0500
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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet Draft Deadline Approaching
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:30 PM Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: > One thing that becomes obvious while serving in the IETF leadership is > that no-win situations are unavoidable. If you try to make decisions based > on objective criteria and take your time to gather data, you get > criticized. If you try to make decisions based on anecdotal evidence or > take what seems to be the path of least resistance, you get criticized. If > you follow the advice of one group of participants, you get criticized by a > different group that disagrees. It can seem like an endless, thankless > torrent of messages telling you that no matter what you do, it’s wrong and > it isn’t good enough. > > So I’d like to say thank you to everyone on the IESG, Colin, Jay, Greg, > the team at AMS, and the WG and RG chairs for all they’ve done thus far to > help manage the IETF 107 meeting planning in light of COVID-19. Your work > is appreciated. > > Alissa > Quite, this is not a decision you should be taking. It is a decision the government should have taken. Cancelling IETF is not going to have a significant impact on the spread of COVID, it only makes sense if there is government leadership and we don't have that. China did the math: 2% of 1 billion people is 20 million. If this thing takes hold, it is going to kill more people than WWII. At the moment everyone is focused on Vancouver. But we are almost certain to see most sporting events including the Olympics cancelled and at least one of the US political conventions. I would start looking at contingency plans for the case we are told that 108 and 109 are cancelled by government order. The impact of government travel restrictions is going to be significant. But that is not going to be the only effect of this crisis. There is going to be a desperate need for technology that allows people to communicate and work remotely. And we are the people who are supposed to provide the open, interoperable solutions. Skype, Zoom, WebEx, Keybase, Signal etc. are all fine for collaboration inside enterprises. But none of them is a replacement for email or the telephone because none of them can talk to each other. We need a federated, open solution. And the IETF is the place people are going to be looking to develop that.
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- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [107all] IETF 107 Standard Registration and I… Randy Bush
- Re: [107all] IETF 107 Standard Registration and I… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [107all] IETF 107 Standard Registration and I… Randy Bush
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Robert Raszuk
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Randy Bush
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Carsten Bormann
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Lou Berger
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Lou Berger
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Wrt. cancelling IETF107 in-person registration (w… Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Alissa Cooper
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Alissa Cooper
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Randy Bush
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jay Daley
- RE: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Larry Masinter
- Re: risk zones (was: IETF 107 Standard Registrati… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: risk zones Joseph Potvin
- Re: risk zones Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Wrt. cancelling IETF107 in-person registratio… Jared Mauch
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Lou Berger
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: risk zones Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Toerless Eckert
- Re: risk zones Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: risk zones Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: risk zones Christian Huitema
- Re: risk zones Randy Bush
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Jim Fenton
- on "positive" organizational culture Keith Moore
- Re: on "positive" organizational culture Jay Daley
- Re: on "positive" organizational culture S Moonesamy
- Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet D… Toerless Eckert
- Re: on "positive" organizational culture Keith Moore
- Re: on "positive" organizational culture Jay Daley
- Re: on "positive" organizational culture Toerless Eckert
- Re: on "positive" organizational culture Keith Moore