Re: risk zones

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Fri, 06 March 2020 18:23 UTC

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>> Related to this point, I fumbled my way through a scholarly discussion
>> of COVID-19 as best as a layman can, and came away with this point: with
>> a disease that has a long incubation period, the reported cases tell us
>> where it has *been*, not where it *is*.  I'm terribly oversimplifying,
>> of course, but this is consistent with the observations being reported
>> by WHO et.al.   And it means, among other things, that delayed reactions
>> may be much too late.
> 
> Most people on this list have no medical background, but many understand
> routing and graphs. This is indeed a classic problem of propagation in a
> graph, the graph of social contacts. People may get infected if they
> have contact with someone who is. Once infected, they are capable of
> infecting others for some time. The denser the graph, the faster the
> infection spreads. Large gatherings create very dense graphs, and that's
> why they are problematic.

the problem here is that the rib data are propagating quickly as
usual, but the latency of redistribution into the fibs is quite
long, especially in comparison.

[ credit to shaikh and greenberg ]

randy