Re: risk zones

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 06 March 2020 11:28 UTC

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after private discussion, I think I should clarify myself.

The communication coming from up to down is changing daily.  Yesterday I 
was directed to a definition of a risk zone as being as one of '6 or 
more cases per region AND 1 per 100.000 people'.  That definition 
disappeared.  I have no trace, just my memory.

Now it now longer says that.

There are more examples of communications from up to down that change 
daily.  The wear of a 'surgeon mask' is a clear case: it was said a few 
days ago it does not protect, but the 3M FFP does.  Today it says the 
reverse.  A person invoked scientific evidence of that.

Reason should prevail.

Common sense and immediate thought do work now.  Some may call that 
'anecdotical report' but for me they are needed.

Alex

Le 06/03/2020 à 09:33, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
> [...]
>> As previously announced, the cancellation fee is not being waived for
>>  cancellations as a result of company travel restrictions.
> 
> Other than company travel restrictions there are government
> restrictions.  But the problem is how to read and understand a
> government statement.
> 
> The first problem is the language barrier.  There are obvious
> differences between different languages, and among English dialects, and
> there are more subtle differences between how governments inform their
> people.
> 
> I think no gov't tells straight it cancells travels, but none doesnt 
> either.
> 
> In the detail, I can give an example between France and Belgium.  The
> analysis in detail of the statements lead to the problem of
> understanding of what is a 'risk zone'.  There are details like the
> number of cases per zone, operators like AND and OR, and density of
> cases per number of people.  There are missing details like the size of
> the area (city, region, country, etc.).  The inclusiveness operation is
> not discussed, so it is hard to answer questions like whether my city is
> an independent zone or is it included in a larger zone.
> 
> The number of cases is an evolving number each day.  In some countries
> it is reported daily at a precise hours (France, 19h30), but in others
> no (Germany).
> 
> Basically, if one can figure out what is a 'risk zone' then one can
> understand whether that gov't bans travel to and from it.
> 
> Then there are supra-national restrictions.  For example the European
> Commission just put in place some travel restrictions.  But I dont have
> the text as pulicly available, I just see the effects.
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
>>
>> Queries like this can always come directly to me or to 
>> ietf-registrar@ietf.org <mailto:ietf-registrar@ietf.org>.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
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