Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet Draft Deadline Approaching

Dirk Kutscher <ietf@dkutscher.net> Fri, 06 March 2020 09:23 UTC

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From: Dirk Kutscher <ietf@dkutscher.net>
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet Draft Deadline Approaching
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:22:56 +0100
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On 6 Mar 2020, at 2:32, Alissa Cooper wrote:

>> On Mar 5, 2020, at 8:30 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
>>
>> One thing that becomes obvious while serving in the IETF 
>> leadership is that no-win situations are unavoidable. If you try to 
>> make decisions based on objective criteria and take your time to 
>> gather data, you get criticized. If you try to make decisions based 
>> on anecdotal evidence or take what seems to be the path of least 
>> resistance, you get criticized. If you follow the advice of one group 
>> of participants, you get criticized by a different group that 
>> disagrees. It can seem like an endless, thankless torrent of messages 
>> telling you that no matter what you do, it’s wrong and it isn’t 
>> good enough.
>>
>> So I’d like to say thank you to everyone on the IESG, Colin, Jay, 
>> Greg, the team at AMS, and the WG and RG chairs for all they’ve 
>> done thus far to help manage the IETF 107 meeting planning in light 
>> of COVID-19. Your work is appreciated.
>
> I failed to include the NOC team and MeetEcho in my list. Many thanks.

+1

Really appreciate the effort and the attempt to come to a good decision 
without taking a lighthearted approach.

It seems that in times of uncertainties and information overflow, we 
tend to turn to authoritarian behavior, i.e., expect authorities to know 
everything, make the decisions for us and then blame them for not acting 
early enough — or too early.

What would help the executive folks most is hard data, i.e., if you are 
registered and you already know you cannot make it, just cancel and pay 
the cancellation fee.

Best regards,
Dirk