Re: IETF 107 Standard Registration and Internet Draft Deadline Approaching

Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Fri, 06 March 2020 00:33 UTC

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From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Jay,

 two very different points here:

1) Everyone's situation is different / unique and often more complicated 
than simply who is canceling. I  strongly urge you, the LLC and the iesg to 
have a single consistent, and public, refund policy for all.  (Either full 
refund for all or service charge for all).

2) have you checked on the legal exposure to the organization of continuing 
to hold the meeting in the face of so many public cancellations -  which 
are taking place at the organizational level (e.g., f8), the association 
level (IEEE, apc) and at the national level (CN and IS)?

Thanks,
Lou



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On March 5, 2020 6:58:28 PM Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:

>
>
>> On 6/03/2020, at 12:50 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The difference should not be between corporate and government travel 
>> restrictions but between self-inflicted (company halts travel, company 
>> pays) and externally imposed (individual pays, employer still forbids 
>> travel; company pays, government forbids travel).
>
> I agree.
>
> Jay
>
>> 
>> Grüße, Carsten
>> 
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> -- 
> Jay Daley
> IETF Executive Director
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