Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?

Walid AL-SAQAF <> Fri, 27 January 2017 19:55 UTC

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Thank you Dave for suggesting taking a stand on this issue.

As you may know, I for one am a Yemeni national and as an ISOC Trustee, I
may end up not being able to participate in upcoming ISOC Board and other
meetings in the US if such a ban is enforced.

That being said, I don't want this to be about me but about the many ISOC,
IETF and in fact millions who will be affected.

I shall work with other ISOC Trustees to make sure we do something about it.

Walid Al-Saqaf
ISOC Trustee

On Jan 27, 2017 20:29, "Dave Burstein" <> wrote:

> Folks
> The IETF has generally steered clear of political entanglements, which I
> think wise. Nonetheless, I raise the question of whether we should
> respond to the proposed U.S. ban on nationals of Iran, Iraq, Libya,
> Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen.
> Scott Aaronson reports one of his MIT students will probably have to leave
> if he can't get his visa removed. We all know how many Iranians are
> world-class technologists, including in computer science and electrical
> engineering.
> I hope many from outside the United States speak up. The issues around
> Trump make it hard to be objective here.
> Should we take a stand?
> If so, should it be symbolic or substantive?
> Symbolic actions could include:
>    - A resolution
>    - Establishing remote hubs for our meetings in Iran and one of the
>    Arabic speaking countries. ISOC has funded remote hubs.
>    - Outreach in Farsi and Arabic to show that whatever actions the
>    government takes, the IETF welcomes participation. This could be as simple
>    as Jari Arkko writing a letter to the editor of the leading newspapers with
>    an invitation for all to join our work.
> Some might also think that we should move the July 2018 meeting from San
> Francisco to a location accessible to more of our members, perhaps to
> Mexico or Canada.
> ------------
> As we discuss this, I urge everyone to avoid distracting comments about
> U.S. politics. We're not going to change many minds here pro or con the new
> U.S. President.
> Instead, let's keep the discussion here to how we should respond to a
> major nation refusing visas to so many of our members.
> Dave Burstein
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