Re: If categories of people are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Mon, 30 January 2017 03:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: If categories of people are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?
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On 1/29/17 4:39 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> The folk at the head of the current administration don't care about such
> statements.  But perhaps others who can effect change might.

Right, including our congressional representatives.  There is
likely to be a legislative response to what the administration
is trying to do, and if industry bodies speak up that can
provide them additional support and cover, I think.

I do think that issuing both IETF-only and joint statements
with other organizations would be a good thing.

Melinda