Re: "why I quit writing internet standards"

Dave Crocker <> Sun, 20 April 2014 17:10 UTC

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On 4/14/2014 8:28 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> If that's true, it's my impression it's true because the DMARC proponents
> insisted any possible working group charter preclude meaningful changes to the
> base specification because the work was already done.

That statement is incorrect.

What we pressed for was to get community rough consensus on the kinds of 
technical work that needed to be done to the -base (core) specification, 
/before/ chartering the effort.

This was explicitly to avoid the trap of declaring the existing spec 
unstable -- and that's what starting an open-ended development effort 
automatically does -- when there was no demonstrated need to do that.

In spite of repeated efforts -- in at least two venues -- to get folks 
to state what work they thought was needed and to get community support 
for that work, no tasks were produced.

That meant that any wg charter permitting changes to the protocol would 
have been entirely without any foundation based on need.

In fact, it would have a foundation of NON-need.


Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking