Re: "why I quit writing internet standards"
Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Mon, 14 April 2014 16:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: "why I quit writing internet standards"
From: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
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I was thinking of why many quit reviewing adopted IETF drafts (or even quit participating). In my situation there is a draft adopted in 6Lo WG and still the author does not answer my question reminder, and it may make me quit reviewing as well. I think IETF does not have problem of participants quit to write but participants quit to review and contribute more into drafts. AB On Monday, April 14, 2014, George, Wes wrote: > I’m surprised that no one has sent this out yet: > http://gigaom.com/2014/04/12/why-i-quit-writing-internet-standards/ > > "Summary: After contributing to standards organizations for more than > seven years, engineer Vidya Narayanan decided it was time to move on. > Although she still believes that these organizations make the Internet a > better place, she wonders about the pace of change versus the pace of > organizations." > > My thoughts- > > There are some nuggets of truth in what she says in this article, and in > some of the comments. I think that the problems are real, so there’s value > in taking the criticism constructively, despite the fact that the author > chose to focus on the problems without any suggestions of solutions. > > "while the pace at which standards are written hasn’t changed in many > years, the pace at which the real world adopts software has become orders > of magnitude faster." > … > "Running code and rough consensus, the motto of the IETF, used to be > realizable at some point. … In the name of consensus, we debate frivolous > details forever. In the name of patents, we never finish.” > … > "Unless these standards organizations make radical shifts towards > practicality, their relevance will soon be questionable.” > > I don’t have too many big ideas how to fix these problems, but I’ll at > least take a crack at it in order to spur discussion. My paraphrase of the > problem and some discussion follows. > > - We’ve lost sight of consensus and are too often derailed by a vocal > minority of those willing to endlessly debate a point. > > Part of the solution to that is reiterating what consensus is and is > not, such as draft-resnick-on-consensus so that we don’t confuse a need for > consensus with a need for unanimity. Part of the solution is IETF > leadership helping to identify when we have rough consensus encumbered by a > debate that will never resolve itself, without quieting actual disagreement > that needs continued discussion in order to find a compromise. I don’t have > good suggestions on how to make that second half better. > > - We don’t have nearly enough focus on running code as the thing that > helps to ensure that we’re using our limited cycles on getting the right > things out expediently, and either getting the design right the first time, > or failing quickly and iterating to improve > > The solution here may be that we need to be much more aggressive at > expecting any standards track documents to have running code much earlier > in the process. The other part of that is to renew our focus on actual > interop standards work, probably by charter or in-group feedback, shift > focus away from BCP and info documents. Perhaps when considering whether to > proceed with a given document, we need test as to whether it’s actively > helpful/needed and ensure that we know what audience would be looking at > it, rather than simply ensuring that it is “not harmful” and mostly within > the WG’s chartered focus. > > Thanks, > > > > Wes George > > > Anything below this line has been added by my company’s mail server, I > have no control over it. > > ----------- > > ------------------------------ > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable > proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to > copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you > are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to > the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and > may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify > the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of > this E-mail and any printout. >
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