Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?

Christian de Larrinaga <cdel@firsthand.net> Mon, 30 January 2017 18:26 UTC

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John
I saw a note from Kathy Brown earlier today

https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2017/01/message-internet-society-president-and-ceo-kathy-brown


Christian
> John C Klensin <mailto:john-ietf@jck.com>
> 30 January 2017 at 18:19
> --On Monday, January 30, 2017 12:14 -0500 Michael StJohns
> <mstjohns@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> We are associated with two organizations that are, by charter,
>> mostly outward facing: the IAB and the ISOC.  The latter
>> organization is probably the right one to take point on
>> statements of mostly political content related to issues that
>> affect our mission.   I would like to suggest that we (the IAB
>> and IESG and IETF Chair) request the ISOC draft a message
>> along the lines of what the ACM and IACR and others have
>> already written.  This would include such details as the
>> affect on the IETF's meetings and the ISOC's outreach program
>> and would ask them to incorporate suggestions from the IETF
>> community on content (but leaving the wording to ISOC).  I'd
>> also suggest they provide a signature page where IETF
>> community members may endorse the ISOC message.
>
> Concur.  I must say that, even without such formal requests, I
> hope ISOC is working on such a statement and am somewhat
> disappointed to have not seen it already.
>
> To the degree possible without getting into our own version of
> "alternate facts", I think it would be worthwhile to identify,
> not only effects on IETF meetings but potential negative effects
> on the Internet if we can't get our work done in a way that is
> consistent with international consensus.
>
>> I would further suggest that a faster but not perfect note is
>> better than the alternative.
>
> Yes.
>
> best,
>     john
>
>
>
> Randy Bush <mailto:randy@psg.com>
> 30 January 2017 at 10:02
> let me spin jari's point a bit differently.
>
> if the outrageous actions out of washington are less than one a week, i
> for one will be surprised. and i strongly encourage protest, funding
> the aclu, etc etc. [ and i have been pushing back against stateside
> meetings for a looooong time ]
>
> but there will soon be violations of rights and sanity which are not so
> obvious to the general public, but will be in the internet community's
> domain. the internet community will need all the energy and resources
> we can muster to deal with those directly on our turf.
>
> expect years of outrageous fascist hateful acts and plan your resource
> expenditures accordingly.
>
> randy
>

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