Re: BCP97bis and "freely available"

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Wed, 20 October 2021 08:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: BCP97bis and "freely available"
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>, Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@alumni.stanford.edu>
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On 19/10/2021 03:58, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 19-Oct-21 13:28, George Michaelson wrote:
>> Good to see. I'd say "wow, I think thats a change of posture" but who
>> knows: maybe I was woefully misinformed at the time?
>
> No, it was a significant change on the ITU side. Especially significant
> because it was around June 1991 when Carl Malamud** and Tony Rutkowski
> started project BRUNO to get the relevant CCITT standards on-line for
> free.  The experiment didn't survive very long, and its 30th anniversary
> is already past. The eventual change of policy was in 2007, says Google.


And posted to the IETF list by Yaakov Stein 17 October 2007 at 14:02.

Tom Petch

>
>      Brian
>
> ** If you haven't read Carl's book "Exploring the Internet" you've missed
> a treat, and he covers Project Bruno among much else.
>
>>
>> It was a long time ago. nearly 30 years ago.
>>
>> -G
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:26 AM Randy Presuhn
>> <randy_presuhn@alumni.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> On 2021-10-18 4:03 PM, George Michaelson wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> So, the existence of some X-series documents outside the paywall is
>>>> the exception, not the normality, as I understand it.
>>> ...
>>>
>>>   From https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/publications/Pages/recs.aspx :
>>> "The vast majority of all Recommendations are available in electronic
>>> (PDF) form, free of charge to all, once the final, edited version is
>>> published."
>>>
>>> For example, lots of interesting stuff is listed on
>>> https://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/index.aspx?ser=X
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>
>
> .
>