Re: [rfc-i] John/rsoc: Re: Page numbers in RFCs questions / preferences

Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> Mon, 26 October 2020 21:43 UTC

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> On 27/10/2020, at 10:38 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hey Jay,
> 
>>>> Who could point me to an RFC and a page# in that RFC (;-) that does
>>>> actually include the magical words like "THERE SHALL BE NO RFC
>>>> REPRESENTATION WITH PAGE NUMERS" ? Would really appreciate not having
>>>> to read through the whole list of the RFC.
>>> 
>>> 7990 section 7.3
>>> 
>>> 7994 section 4.1 (doesn't mention page numbers explicitly, but their absence
>>> is a direct consequence of this section's requirements).
>> 
>> Section 4. of 7994 mentions a paginated text format (58 lines/page at most).
>> Where are those text files ?
>  
> On the canonical site.  e.g. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7994 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7994>
>  
> While the RFC you point to has exactly the format that Toerless might want to see, it (perhaps naturally) pre-dates the changes that it describes.
>  
> So, if you go to (for example) https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8905 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8905> you’ll find a link to a text file that lacks the pagination.
>  
> Now, that might be moot given the later discussion of what 7994 was trying to talk about.

Yes I assumed that 7994 would apply to itself.  My love of recursion getting the better of me.

Jay

>  
> Cheers,
> Adrian

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Jay Daley
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