Re: [rfc-i] John/rsoc: Re: Page numbers in RFCs questions / preferences

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Mon, 26 October 2020 19:23 UTC

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To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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On 2020-10-26, at 20:00, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Are we having this discussion again?

Yes.

> It seems that all the arguments against are being put forward, but that the
> people who like the idea are being told to not reopen the debate.

There is no point in discussing this as an operational concern for RPC or the tools team.
RFC 799x is clear (maybe inconsistent, broken, I-don’t-like-it; but clear).

However, many people who have to use RFCXMLv3 sense that it is time for an RFCXMLv4 (or 3.1, or 3 post-beta, ...) discussion.
That would indeed be the time to look at the experience with v3 as documented in 799x and learn from it.

Grüße, Carsten

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