[v6ops] Is there a problem? [was: Why enterprises aren't adopting IPv6]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 30 September 2021 19:32 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: [v6ops] Is there a problem? [was: Why enterprises aren't adopting IPv6]
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On 01-Oct-21 06:21, otroan@employees.org wrote:
> Gert,
> 
>>> typically they only use a 1/65535th of an IPv4 address ((one TCP port) although they share it at L7).
>>> it would certainly be possible to improve on that.
>>
>> Is that our goal?
> 
> No, but our goal failed. So let's take stock.

We designed for co-existence, despite calling it "transition".

We have co-existence, and no drop-dead date for IPv4.

Why is this a problem?

   Brian