Re: [v6ops] Is there a problem? [was: Why enterprises aren't adopting IPv6]

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Thu, 30 September 2021 20:35 UTC

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From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Is there a problem? [was: Why enterprises aren't adopting IPv6]
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Hi,

On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 08:32:42AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> We designed for co-existence, despite calling it "transition".
> 
> We have co-existence, and no drop-dead date for IPv4.
> 
> Why is this a problem?

Co-existence means it's easy to avoid doing IPv6 at all, because everyone
else will (have to!) find a way to cope with such laziness.

Thus, DS-lite, CGN, NAT64, ...

Gert Doering
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-- 
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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