Re: [68ATTENDEES] Returning to Prague (was: Re: Hilton Prague)
Randall Gellens <randy@qualcomm.com> Tue, 27 March 2007 15:46 UTC
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:44:06 -0700
To: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
From: Randall Gellens <randy@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [68ATTENDEES] Returning to Prague (was: Re: Hilton Prague)
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At 7:39 AM +0200 3/25/07, Fred Baker wrote: > I have to tell you that the discussion on this list has been > interesting to say the least, and the amount of grousing about > things that are true everywhere I go (and BTW which are better in > Prague than they are in many places we have IETF meetings) has been > disappointing to me personally. You, John, have tried hard to be > reasonable in the statement of your concerns, but even you have > been a little biased in the direction of complaining about things > that are better managed here than they are in a lot of places I > travel to. Good grief; in Santa Barbara, my home town, a > non-smoking section often shares the air space with a smoking > section. I have issues with smoke as well. I deal with that by > choosing where I spend my money. It seems that my attempts to be clear, reasonable, and precise have failed. As I see it, the purpose of holding an IETF meeting is to meet, that is, be physically present in the same room and do the work of the IETF. The sightseeing, weather, restaurants, and so forth are secondary considerations. When the meeting rooms are so smokey as to preclude or limit participation, I think that is a problem. This is, to me, a very different problem than a lack of non-smoking restaurants. In Paris and Prague I was able to find at least a few totally non-smoking restaurants. At an OMA meeting in Barcelona I was not able to, and after trying several times finally gave up and ate my meals via room service. If I have to not venture out of the hotel, if I have to send my clothes to the laundry because they are saturated with smoke and it makes me ill, and I have to pay that myself because my employer won't, I'll accept all that. But if the meeting rooms won't let me participate, I object. If you think this is whiny and unreasonable of me, if you think I am trying to impose my societal norms on the rest of the world, then I'm sorry but I think it is you who are unreasonable. California, by the way, as I understand it has a state-wide law that prohibits smoking in most indoor workplaces, included restaurants and bars. So I'm curious as to which establishments in Santa Barbara are smokey? -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B. Shaw _______________________________________________ 68ATTENDEES mailing list 68ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/68attendees
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