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Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 21 August 2019 21:27 UTC

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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:26:42 -0700
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To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
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Subject: Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group
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Hi David,

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:05 PM David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:

>
> DoH is channel protection. Can we please stop suggesting DoH addresses
> data integrity?
>
>
At least what I've been trying to say is that it gives you on-path
confidentiality and authentication.  You can confirm to whom you are
connecting, and no one has access to the query/response stream by virtue of
being on-path.

That authentication is different from "data integrity" of the data being
sent and I recognize that it is different.   But it is nonetheless
something that folks would like to see, especially in the case where they
have a reason to believe that party has a policy aligned with their own
(e.g. parental controls).

My apologies for any lack of clarity,

Ted

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