Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 22 August 2019 10:27 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:26:54 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:57 AM Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:

> I’m obviously handwaving the solution a bit, but my point is — if we want
> to make an improvement, then it should be an incumbent on us to do a full
> solution.


This is not a standard we apply anywhere else in the IETF. Rather we strive
for incremental improvement. I certainly agree that your proposal has
merit, and if you have a concrete way of going about it, rather than just
handwaving about how someone else should do it, let's talk.


Shipping my mom’s queries to a single entity /w possible risk of
> surveillance and other leaks is a recipe for insufficient design,


I agree that there is a risk, but given that we know that the current
design *also* has a high risk of surveillance and other leaks, and that in
fact those sorts of things regularly occur, this doesn't seem to me to be
anywhere near as strong an argument as you seem to think it is.



> IMHO. If we want an improvement, sell me a solution that I actually want,
> one that does improve my privacy and resilience against filtering.
>

Our view is that TRR will do so. You obviously have a different opinion,
and as Adam said, at least in Firefox, you will be able to make that choice
for yourself.

-Ekr




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