Re: [Add] data integrity and DNSSEC or DoH/DoT

"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> Thu, 22 August 2019 21:41 UTC

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
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Subject: Re: [Add] data integrity and DNSSEC or DoH/DoT
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From: Add <add-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 6:23 PM
To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
Cc: Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com>, ADD Mailing list <add@ietf.org>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Subject: Re: [Add] data integrity and DNSSEC or DoH/DoT

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:15 PM David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org<mailto:drc@virtualized.org>> wrote:
My response to Ted that caused me to get sucked into this particular swamp (something I already regret)

> Is that the swamp where the only significant DNSSEC providers are Google and Cloudflare?

[JL] Please note that Comcast performs DNSSEC-validation in the US for our customers. ISPs in other countries do as well. So it’s not just the big quad platforms. That isn’t to say that DNSSEC deployment doesn’t still have a ways to go, but such is life. For reference, see https://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/dnssec-deployment-update
and https://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/comcast-completes-dnssec-deployment.

Jason