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Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Fri, 23 August 2019 04:32 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 05:32:01 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:12 PM Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote:

> Moin!
>
> On 21 Aug 2019, at 19:01, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > Indeed: this is what I was referring to when I said "ways to minimize
> > centralization". Specifically, ISPs could commit to strong privacy
> policies
> > and join our TRR program.
> A lot of ISPs have way stronger privacy policies then the TRR program, yet
> they can not join because it’s impossible to fulfil the other requirements
>

Interesting. I'd be interested in seeing links to those privacy policies.


and IMHO bad decsisions in the TRR program what to require and what not:
> - No DNSSEC
>

I don't see how us not requiring DNSSEC precludes ISPs joining


- But qname minimisation that breaks stuff and for larger resolvers adds
> not much
> - Requirement to publish block lists
>

I think we've explained our reasons for these, and we're not yet persuaded
that relaxing them would be a good thing.

-Ekr




>
> So long
> -Ralf
> ---
> Ralf Weber
>

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