Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group

Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com> Wed, 21 August 2019 21:42 UTC

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From: Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:41:40 +0100
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To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Add] What to do in this potential working group
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 22:28, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alec,
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:26 PM Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> We are not doing so; in fact at the risk of appearing ad-hominem, I will
>> go so far as to suggest that you are only pretending that we are talking
>> about data integrity, because it is the only lever you have available in
>> order to attempt to attack this channel protection value proposition.
>>
>
> Please do not impugn the motives of other members of the list.  That's
> damaging to the exchange of ideas, and inappropriate behavior to our
> colleagues.
>

In which case I shall withdraw that comment and replace it with an allusion
to the author's inability to address the argument at hand, for reasons that
are unclear.

    -a


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