Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 22 December 2016 15:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz
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On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:32 AM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> I have to say I'm baffled at arguments that boil down to "someone
> might do something bad with this, so we'll pretend it doesn't exist."
> By that standard, we wouldn't have published DNS, TCP, or IP.

Indeed, SMTP is frequently used by scam artists to sucker people into 419 scams.   AFAIK there is no warning about this in the security considerations for any of the recent updates to the protocol.