Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
Henning Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu> Wed, 07 April 2010 20:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
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I gather you'd also require each new web site to get permission from AT&T, given that it can have an adverse effect? I didn't know the appellate decision on network neutrality would have an effect quite as quickly :-) Henning On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:20 PM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: > In regards to the comment on the first sentence, all services have to be > evaluated for impact before they are implemented in any live > environment. However, a service that is designed from the beginning > with no consideration of the impacts to the access technologies is a > very badly designed service. ATOCA will have an adverse effect to at > least some of the access technologies and if ATOCA is designed without > any considerations of the capabilities and limitations of the access > technologies, it will fail and it will cause adverse effects to the > access technologies. > > The proof of network congestion already exists. This is demonstrated > repeatedly as "all circuits busy" error responses, dropped calls, > fast-busy tones, delayed delivery of SMS messages, etc. > > Since ATOCA is the new communications entity beginning proposed, the > burden of proof is on ATOCA to prove that it will not adversely impact > any of the associated access technologies. > > DeWayne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ken carlberg > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:48 PM > To: SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; earlywarning@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions > > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:30 AM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: > >> "The ATOCA solutions will not adversely affect the ability of any > access >> technology to provide emergency services to the citizens (e.g. 9-1-1 >> calls) or to provide communication services to first responders or > other >> authorized emergency services personnel. Additionally, ATOCA is not >> replacement solution for any authority to citizen alerting supported > by >> any access technology." > > given the previous thread on this list, I'm a bit leery of that first > sentence. But, if it were agreed to add it in, then I would expect the > individuals who make a claim that an ATOCA solution adversely affects > 9-1-1 type calls will be required to prove it instead of simply stating > a position. > > as for the second sentence, that is out of scope of the IETF. any > deployment of what is considered an ATOCA solution is a market decision. > > -ken > > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning >
- [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discuss… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed