Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
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To: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net>, earlywarning@ietf.org
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Hi Hannes, Based upon the previous email decisions, changes to the charter text are still needed. The second paragraph of the charter provides a high level purpose and scope for the ATOCA work. The following should be added to the end of the second paragraph to provide further clarification on the purpose and scope of the ATOCA work: "The ATOCA solutions will not adversely affect the ability of any access technology to provide emergency services to the citizens (e.g. 9-1-1 calls) or to provide communication services to first responders or other authorized emergency services personnel. Additionally, ATOCA is not replacement solution for any authority to citizen alerting supported by any access technology." Regards, DeWayne A. Sennett -----Original Message----- From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:18 AM To: earlywarning@ietf.org Subject: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions Hi all, we had some discussions in response to the charter text I distributed. I made some minor changes based on the received comments but most of the discussions seemed (at least to me) not related to the charter text itself. Is the charter text OK for everyone? Ciao Hannes ---------------- Authority to Citizen Alert (ATOCA) ================================== Authorities need mechanisms to notify citizens and visitors of emergency events. Traditionally, they have done so with broadcast networks (radio and television). The Internet provides another way for authority to citizen alerts to be sent, but it also presents new challenges. While there are some existing layer 2 mechanisms for delivering alerts the work in this group focuses on delivering alerts to IP endpoints only. The general message pattern that this group is intended to address is the sending of alerts from a set of pre-authorized agents (e.g., governmental agencies) to a large population. The goal of this group is not to specify how originators of alerts obtain authorization, but rather how a messaging system can verify authorization and deliver message to the intended recipients. A critical element of the work are the mechanisms that assure that only authorized agents can send alerts. The recipients of these alerts are the wide range of devices connected to the Internet and private IP networks which humans may have ?at hand? to get such events, as well as automatons who may take action based on the alerts. This implies that the content of the alert contains some information which is intended to be consumed by humans, and some which is intended to be consumed by automatons. Ideally, the alerts would contain, or refer to media other than text media (e.g., audio and/or video), but the initial work in the group is focused on small messages, which may be mechanically rendered by the device in other forms (text to speech for example). In situations of a major emergency there could be scenarios where there are multiple alerts generated that may require that a priority mechanism has to be used. The work on a resource priority mechanism is out of scope of the initial charter, but may be revisited at a later date. Which devices should get alerts is primarily driven by location. The first set of recipients that must be catered for are those within the area affected by the alert. In many jurisdictions, there are regulations that define whether recipients within the affected area have opt-in or opt-out capability, but the protocols we will define will include both opt-in and opt-out mechanisms. The group will explore how to support both opt-in and opt-out at the level of communication protocols. Another class of recipients that are in scope of the work are explicit opt-in subscriptions which ask for alerts for a specified location. An example of such a subscription would be 'send me alerts for location x' (previously determined as the location of interest). This work builds on existing IETF geopriv location work. There are efforts in other fora on early warning, which will be considered in this effort. For example, we expect to make use of the OASIS Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) for the encoding of alerts. OGC, ATIS, TIA, ITU-T, ETSI and 3GPP also have alert efforts underway, and consultation with these efforts will be undertaken to avoid unnecessary duplication of effort. Of course, existing protocols for delivering messages (e.g., SIP) will be the basis for the message delivery system of this working group. The security implications of mechanisms that can send alerts to billions of devices are profound, but the utility of the mechanism encourages us to face the problems and solve them. Milestones TBD Initial document for "Terminology and Framework" document. A starting point for this work is draft-norreys-ecrit-authority2individuals-requirements. TBD Initial document for conveying alerts in SIP TBD Initial document for subscribing to alerts using SIP A starting point for this work is draft-rosen-sipping-cap TBD Initial document for locating the alerting server for a geographic region. A starting point for this work is draft-rosen-ecrit-lost-early-warning. _______________________________________________ earlywarning mailing list earlywarning@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
- [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discuss… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed